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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 19:20, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Juan M. Thompson[edit]

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This article should be deleted as it has only trivial coverage in sources meaning it does not pass the WP:GNG. The article also is WP:ONEEVENT as it is only notable for one event. -KAP03(Talk • Contributions) 18:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete: Meets CSD Criteria for a non noteworthy person. I have co-CSD tagged if it does not fall under CSD (an admin drops it) I will explain why it should be deleted per other policy. →ὦiki-Coffee(talk to me!) (contributions) 19:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep – Meets WP:BASIC. Fraud and threats over many years.

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Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 19:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

— Note to closing admin: Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
  • I am disputing "non-noteworthy person".

Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 19:47, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Xb2u7Zjzc32: Which of the references that you have provided above give evidence for the assertion that this individual subject to the article is notable? As KAP03 rightly said there are guidelines like WP:ONEEVENT which suggest against judging notability on the back of single events which are reported about by the media. Furthermore, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, you might be very right Xb that this person is reported about by the media on a short term basis however this does not automatically make someone notable. Furthermore, you have provided "go fund me links" which is rather strange when you are trying to assert notability. Are you sure you are trying to convince me of this person’s notability or are you trying to get me to donate to someone? Wikipedia can be an awesome place for people to get knowledge on those who have had a great amount of impact on the world, and while the subject of this article is probably a great guy (sarcasm heavily implied) that does not justify a Wikipedia biography, nor does temporary "one event" speculative news sorties support a claim for notability. →ὦiki-Coffee(talk to me!) (contributions) 19:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Xb2u7Zjzc32: As you have mentioned yourself, this person is a suspect in a hideous crime. They are reported about by the media for supposedly making bomb threats and other terrorist threats. Are you arguing that because this man is said to have made these threats and a non-wide coverage of those threats has been made by a very few small and unchecked news outlets that thus this person is notable? Suspected paedophiles are often reported about by my local media, does that on its own give them the notability to have a Wikipedia article made about them?. →ὦiki-Coffee(talk to me!) (contributions) 20:06, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources specifically about Thompson. His notability isn't really for a single event - there's coverage about his association with The Intercept, and he's only a minor player in the Jewish community center bombing threats, it appears. FuriouslySerene (talk) 21:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He is notable for at least two events - fake coverage in The Intercept (made up quotes, including one about Dylan Roof motive because a former girlfriend dated black men - see The_Intercept#Juan_Thompson_scandal) + threats against the Jewish community centers. He has been subject of quite intense media coverage due to these two incidents - the first one (the intercept), by itself, one quite notable in its notoriety in the national media, and was a major scandal for "The Intercept". Beyond this - his own reporting and views also have some weight. This isn't a low-profile individual - to the contrary, his name is out there and has been out there for a while.Icewhiz (talk) 09:55, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
planting fake news, including fake news that got very wide publication (the Dylan Roof piece - which was repeated elsewhere) in a major publication and which caused great embarrassment to that publication - is noteworthy. Being involved a major national terror/intimidation campaign which got widespread media coverage (also outside of the US) - is noteworthy. There is BLPCrime to consider here - but he is definitely noteworthy.Icewhiz (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
notable enough that his firing from another news organization (Media Blackout USA) was covered between "The Intercept" affair and the JCC bomb threats - in sep 2016 [1] Icewhiz (talk) 15:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Icewhiz:

Alamis partitioned the wise men: “Please hear my case for why the notorious horse thief, Cain, should be in the Alamac of criminals.” The wise men remained silent, Alamis became angry and exclaimed “why is it that I must ask you to write the horse thieves name in the Alamac anyway! You men are called wise yet you do not see fit to put a name of a famous horse thief in a book for documenting criminals!” Again, the wise men remained silent. Alamis became more frustrated as he sensed the wise men would rather not answer his pleas.

“Which of you is the wisest!” Alamis exclaimed.
“We are all equally as wise” the wise men replied.
“Why is this man not to be in the Alamac of criminals?!” Alamis retorted.
“Should a horse thief be remembered?” asked the wise men.
“No.” replied Alamis.
“Then surely it is not for you to have him remembered” the wise men responded.

Alamis calmed himself and left the wise men. →ὦiki-Coffee(talk to me!) (contributions) 15:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Wiki-Coffee:Thus, I must say, thou shalt nominate Bernard Madoff or Martin Shkreli for deletion according to the same principle. Famous villains gain notability by notoriety.Icewhiz (talk) 16:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Icewhiz: Gulliver describes a royal personage inspiring awe among the tiny Lilliputians because he was taller than his brethren by the breadth of a human fingernail. →ὦiki-Coffee(talk to me!) (contributions) 16:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]


  • Keep Not merely notable for the one event - that might be the case if he were only some guy who tried to frame his girlfriend. But he's also notable as a Jayson Blair-type, for fraudulent articles he wrote before the more prominent incident. Bangabandhu (talk) 00:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He's already been noted in the Intercept article. It's a huge problem on Wikipedia whenever a public figure is accused of or looks like an obvious terrorist, there is always an effort to delete any article on the subject. The writer is also associated with dubious anti-American news outlets like the Intercept and Raw Story, and he called in the threats to his friends at CAIR. There are allegations that he is also a muslim convert, and that his work as an anti-American propagandist might have something to do with his real motive for harming Jewish institutions. Bachcell (talk) 17:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Subject is notable for multiple events and has received substantial coverage by the national media. Bk33725681 (talk) 08:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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