Wikidata:Property proposal/located in the Islamic territorial entity
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located in the Islamic territorial entity
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Under discussion
Motivation
[edit]As for administrative units, it is useful to have a property to indicate the Islamic unity in which is located a mosque (Q32815), a zawiya (Q2001465), a madrasa (Q132834), etc. --Soufiyouns (talk) 09:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Question Why not extend located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) instead? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 16:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Good point from Tinker Bell. An item like this would generally not have multiple different religions applying, so it should be clear that "ecclesiastical" for a Muslim facility would be the appropriate Islamic territory. And if something did have multiple values, the value should make clear what sort of religious hierarchy was involved anyway. So I can't see any problem with asserting that located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) applies equally well to the Islamic territorial assignments. Some additional aliases would probably be needed. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agree, if there is a concern that ecclesiastical refers to churches, not mosques, then that term should be relabelled "religious". I don't think we want properties for named religions. Vicarage (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Tinker Bell, ArthurPSmith, Vicarage: Thank you for your very informative comments. I think it would be better to rename and relabel the located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) property so that it can encompass all religions. The example of the school district (P5353) property is here to show the usefulness of generic names that can be used in all countries and by all religions. Indeed, the term clergy (Q177826) is not specific to Christianity (Q5043), and we find in Islamic culture (Q1340372) quite comparable territorial and hierarchical terms such as sheikhdom (Q2706826), Tariqa (Q816321), hawza (Q1385497) to which structures such as a mosque (Q32815), a zawiya (Q2001465), a madrasa (Q132834), etc., are affiliated. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that reusing located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) would be better. Maybe, we can rename that to "located in the religious territorial entity"? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: I think it's the best option. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 03:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that reusing located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) would be better. Maybe, we can rename that to "located in the religious territorial entity"? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)